Pastor says armed militia to protect church during Quran-burning event
CNN Wire Staff | August 24, 2010 10:47 p.m. EDT
(CNN) — An armed Christian organization, Right Wing Extreme, will protect a church that is planning to host an “International Burn a Quran Day” on September 11, the church’s pastor said Tuesday.
The Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and to take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, the nondenominational church invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book.
Dove’s Facebook page, set up for the September event, has nearly 6,000 fans. The initiative has also drawn critics.
Dove World Outreach Center Pastor Terry Jones has accepted the support of Right Wing Extreme, which he said offered to come to the church with between 500 and 2,000 men on September 11. He described the organization as an armed civilian militia group . .
This is beyond the normal hysteria and bigotry. This has become some sort of nasty zeitgeist.
Strange thing that it’s all happening now — 9 years after 9/11. Now they’ve gone anti-Muslim batshit. They sure weren’t acting this badly during the Bush administrations, it’s very curious.
There has to be a reason for everybody wigging out right now. Like there’s something, I don’t know, in the air.
Some sort of black cloud hanging over people. A dark, mysterious threat. Something inking its way into the tissues of some folks’ reactionary brains.
And it gnaws at them and won’t let go. Perhaps something odd and out of place, like a stain. One that — even after months, or years — won’t go away.
. . Plans are for the facility to include a 500-seat auditorium, theater, performing arts center, fitness center, swimming pool, basketball court, childcare area, bookstore, culinary school, art studio, food court serving halal dishes, September 11th memorial, and prayer space for 1,000–2,000 Muslims. It would replace an existing 1850s Italianate building that was damaged in the September 11 attacks, and is located two blocks (about 600 feet, or 180 meters) from the World Trade Center site in Manhattan . .
Although the building is currently used for Muslim worship . .
That’s right — the dirty Muslims have been praying there for a while. Nonetheless, the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ bigot-o-rama continues to rally. Or the rallies continue to bigot, as seen in this video I caught on Rumproast where the pack animals close in on what they thought was a Muslim. He was just a local carpenter.
And your big-time politicians are hardly pretending to be nuanced any more. What’s the problem? Muslims are the problem.
Newt Gingrich: “Nazis don’t have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust Museum in Washington. We would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor.”
All Muslims = uniformed soldiers of foreign countries at war with America. Well, that’s simple enough to understand. These brown Americans, they are murderous traitors.
Christians would be our Army, incidentally. The Pope must be one of our Generals. He, if I remember correctly, used to be an actual Nazi, and now we’ve come full circle. Use a Nazi to beat a Nazi?
As long as we’re being ridiculous, here’s my funny little addition. This is not Americans in their finest hours, this is brazen, bold-faced bigotry. It’s disgusting. I’m tired of all the crap people are foisting upon the public to justify their ugliness. And there’s no reasoning or logic to support these ‘positions’, this is utterly mindless.
Consider Dennis Rader, the BTK serial murderer. He bound, tortured and killed 10 people in and around Wichita, Kansas. He speaks of his unspeakable crimes, here.
He was a devout Christian, a member of his local Christ Lutheran Church. Heck, he was President of their Congregation Council. What does this say of devout Christians? And how should Lutherans be treated? How should we now allow them to behave in our society?
140 miles from Wichita, consider the Westboro Baptist Church. These are the ‘God Hates Fags’ people. These are also the folks that show up at the funerals of military people and yell at the mourners that their loved one, the soldier, or Marine, or airman, deserved to die. This is God’s way: it’s divine retribution for Americans tolerating the abomination of homosexuality.
This is not just Christians acting badly — this is their faith. Nothing less, nothing more. They are called upon to do this in the name of God and in the name of Jesus Christ.
How are we to deal with Baptists now? What should we allow them to do? Where will we now tolerate their building community centers, or churches?
Consider the Church of Latter Day Saints, they have a 9/11 all their own. Paranoid Mormon settlers, fearing outsiders and annihilation by the U.S. Government (familiar?), attacked a Mountain Meadows, Utah, wagon train of California bound settlers. The attack led to a stalemate, a siege. When the attackers, though they were disguised as Paiute Indians, realized that the defenders were aware they were actually Mormons, the local authority ordered them all to be killed lest survivors’ stories reach Washington.
Told they would be given safe passage outside of Mountain Meadows if they threw down their weapons, the defenders did. All but the children were summarily slaughtered, 120 of them. The children were whisked off and given to Mormon families to be raised as their own. September the 11th, 1857.
What are we now to do with the believers in Christ? How are we to deal with the Mormons? What should they be allowed to do?
The Anti-Defamation League officially oppose the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’?
What? What planet have I awakened upon?
Anti-racist ADL ‘joins bigots’ in opposing Ground Zero mosque
By Daniel Tencer | Friday, July 30th, 2010 4:26 pm
The Anti-Defamation League describes itself as “fighting anti-Semitism, bigotry and extremism,” but critics of the Jewish group’s latest move say it has joined the ranks of some of the US’s most bigoted organizations in its call to oppose the “Ground Zero mosque,” a Muslim community center being built several blocks from the site of the World Trade Center.
“Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong. But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right.”
Wait — rights aren’t right? They’re not good enough? There’s a more sophisticated, more nuanced reality to be appreciated, worthy of tramping some minority group’s claim to equality and legitimacy? How many times have the powerful used that same decrepit reasoning to rout the Jews? This is some kinda post from Bizarro . .
“In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain – unnecessarily – and that is not right . .”
Ooooohhh. Well, let’s not cause anybody any trouble opposing these wounded racists, wouldn’t want that. They have feelings too, y’know.
So, by giving in to the bigots and Christianists, the ADL are agreeing that Al Qaeda’s religious war propaganda, that 9/11 was primarily a Muslim counter-Christian strike, is accurate. Wouldn’t want to build an Islamic house of worship near the site of a big defeat in The New Crusades. Well, then, that’s understandable.
Hey, you recall who else got pretty badly beaten up by life and turned on their neighbors? Y’know, those weird folks next door who publicly flaunted a different religion and lifestyle? But were responsible for none of the worldly events that made the local folks miserable?
The Poles in the 1930s. What are there, maybe 5,000 Jews in all of Poland now?
This is too easy. Perhaps the ADL need a wake-up call in the form of being introduced to their new political cohort, the rabid white supremacists at stormfront.org?
Muslims come in massive numbers and have 6 kids each, not to mention that they sell drugs, refuse to speak our language, segregate themselves in their own neighbourhoods (which is a good thing), and regularly beat up locals and rape girls while they live for free on our tax money.
They oppose the Ground Zero Mosque as well. Perhaps the ADL only want to be against Jewish defamation. Perhaps they’re specialty activists now.
Rep. Lamar Smith Hints At Impeaching Obama Over Immigration: He’s ‘Close’ To Violating His Oath Of Office . .
. . On Wednesday, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) was on Lou Dobbs’ radio show and went a step further. He agreed with Dobbs’ statement that President Obama is “awfully close” to violating his “oath to protect the Constitution of the United States” by not completely securing the border [audio]:
DOBBS: The fact that we’ve witnessed both the Bush administration and now the Obama administration…refuse to secure the borders, refuse to enforce immigration law — at what point does this rise to the level of a breach of oath to protect the Constitution of the United States?
SMITH: I think we’re on the verge of being there right now. … Whatever law they’re not enforcing, I think it comes awfully close to a violation of their oath of office.
George Washington became our first President in April of 1789. And just how long did it take for him to secure the borders? You remember hearing about that in class, right, in junior high school — our first President immediately locking down the border we had with Canada? (. . the only foreign border that survived to our present day?)
No? Well me neither. I’m scanning the History books but drawing a blank. He never secured the borders. In fact, no President has ever secured the borders in any way that would prove satisfactory to Conservatives — you know, those folks who demand a simply, routinely, patently Mexican-proof ‘secure border’ to repel The Brown People, of the type seen separating North and South Korea, or the Israelis and Palestinians.
Here’s a typical sign at the Canadian border:
. . but when did we impeach President Bush for his failure to protect our Northern border and our precious Constitution in this regard? After 9/11, no less?
More crossings feared along Canada border
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007
BLAINE, Wash. — . . At most points, the only thing separating 0 (Zero) Avenue in Canada from the houses, fields, woods and narrow roads of the United States is a shallow, 3-foot ditch or a metal highway guardrail. Security cameras on tall poles swivel to track suspicious vehicles. Border Patrol cars barrel around corners to confront uncertain threats . .
But if the area immediately surrounding the inn and the border crossing at Blaine is one of the more secure along the U.S.-Canadian border, the other 4,000 or so miles are a security nightmare.
Given Canada’s open immigration policies, terrorist organizations have established cells there seeking “safe havens, operational bases and attempting to gain access to the USA,” according to a 1998 report from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. The report said that more than 50 terrorist groups might be present, including Hezbollah, Hamas and other radical Islamic groups from Iran and Algeria.
A 2006 report from the Nixon Center, a Washington, D.C., policy institute, quoted a senior FBI official as saying that Canada is the most worrisome terrorist point of entry and that al Qaida training manuals advise terrorists to enter the United States from Canada. The report concluded that “despite widespread alarms raised over terrorist infiltration from Mexico, we found no terrorist presence in Mexico and a number of Canadian-based terrorists who have entered the United States.”
After Alaska became a state in 1959, we then had an Eastern border, too:
When was that secured? Ever? Why has every President failed to uphold the Oath of Office? Why has no one impeached every single one of them? Why won’t Republicans do the right thing when Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush piss on the Constitution this way? Why don’t they love the United States of America the way I do?
Greek Plans for Recovery are OPPOSITE of Obama’s Plans for America
Posted by: Meredith Jessup at 11:12 AM
According to the New York Times, Greece has to swallow some “bitter pills” in order to get on the road to economic recovery. In exchange for an IMF/EU bailout, Greece has agreed to an austerity plan that strangely resembles conservatives’ dreams for American prosperity.
Many of the measures the IMF/EU demands Greece must implement in order to help improve its economy run opposite to the Obama administration’s agenda for America.
NYTimes: Among the most significant features of the plan, a Greek government official said, would be a measure making it easier for the government to lay off some of the many thousands of public sector workers, whose low levels of productivity and high wages are a big contributor to Greece’s debt problem.
USA: “Government workers, especially at the federal level, make salaries that are scandalously higher than those paid to private sector workers.”
NYTimes: Another reform high on the list is removing the state from the marketplace in crucial sectors like health care, transportation and energy and allowing private investment.
USA: Obamacare, parity for pedalers, cap and tax… among MANY others.
(Reuters) – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Saturday called the September 11 attacks on the United States a “big fabrication” that was used to justify the U.S. war on terrorism, the official IRNA news agency reported . .
Ahmadinejad described the destruction of the twin towers in New York on September 11, 2001 as a “complicated intelligence scenario and act,” IRNA reported.
He added: “The September 11 incident was a big fabrication as a pretext for the campaign against terrorism and a prelude for staging an invasion against Afghanistan.” He did not elaborate.
Who wasn’t waiting to invade Afghanistan? What with all their oilgoldplutoniumweaponrystrategic portsvisible townsroomy buildingsalluring geishasfern barsfancy chocolateswrist watchesclean paperplywoodweather . .
For 8 years, they’ve been getting away with meekly saying “…er, it’s, uh, nobody’s fault. Nobody could’ve predicted it.” Now there is somebody to blame for the thousands of deaths–Bill Clinton. What a surprise.
Fine, then: What the hell should Bill Clinton have done on September the 10th to prevent his catastrophic failure on the following day? When you can answer that one, Mary, I’ll refrain from calling you the rank pile of festering political garbage that you obviously are.
“I think terrorism isn’t just attack, it’s anxiety and I think you feel the anxiety and frustration of New Yorkers who took the bullet for the rest of the country,”
New York Governor David Paterson plays his hand, tries to save his political future.
Fourteen months after being elevated to the governor’s job, David A. Paterson is deeply unpopular among New Yorkers, who doubt his ability to grapple with the state’s increasingly bleak economic situation, according to a poll by The New York Times, Cornell University and NY1 News.
Sensing the futility of trying to jam Paterson down the throats of New Yorkers in the next gubernatorial election, the White House let him know that he will not be their man.
When President Obama’s aides lowered the boom on Gov. Paterson, it was really a two-fer aimed as much at another White House worry: former Mayor Rudy Giuliani…
The political jujitsu dealt a blow to Republican Giuliani’s gubernatorial chances, since it’s now more likely the former mayor’s opponent would now be the Democrat’s undisputed heavyweight, Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, experts said.
So what did Paterson do? Sided with Giuliani on the terrorists/security ‘issue’, of all things.
“Our country was attacked on its own soil on September 11, 2001 and New York was very much the epicenter of that attack. Over 2,700 lives were lost,” he said.
“It’s very painful. We’re still having trouble getting over it.
“We still have been unable to rebuild that site and having those terrorists so close to the attack is gonna be an encumbrance on all New Yorkers.”
How do you like that language? ‘Please, no, not now, we can’t get over it, we’re hurting too bad…’ There’s some real strength in leadership. What about the city’s own justice system, populated by New Yorkers, trying and convicting the bastards? Some local legal retribution? No?
Or would some of you rather just traffic in noun/verb/nine-eleven Giuliani impersonations?
“I think it’s a logistical and security nightmare for the American People,” Alice Hoagland, mother of a 9/11 victim, said.
Normally, who’d bother with state Senators? But Dave is waaaaay wingnut.
And what’s great about that? This is what’s great: it’s a wingnut triumph of truth and the human spirit to speak your mind. WOW. Coool. He’s ‘Twitter’ing what only the worst of us are thinking.
Hello!
WOAH. The president is one of those terrorists that killed thousands of Americans in a matter of minutes back in 2001? That seems a bit much.
State Senate President Brandon Shaffer, a Longmont Democrat, calls Schultheis’ tweet “appalling” and has demanded a retraction, and Ed Kowalski, a director for the New York-based 9/11 Families for a Secure America, believes Schultheis was “clearly” referring to Flight 93 when he used the words of the passengers who fought to take back the ill-fated plane: “Let’s roll.”
Kowalski also disagrees with many of Obama’s policies but says, “Let’s not cheapen what happened on Sept. 11 by making random and or ill-fated comparisons to current policy.”
WHAT! Who the fuck said “Let’s Roll” was connected to anything about planes, including what I said?
“‘Let’s roll.’ It’s a comment people use all the time any more. ‘Let’s get going. Let’s move on. Let’s make major changes,’ ” Schultheis said. “I can see it now. But you’re busy doing jillions of things during the day. You sometimes don’t analyze every single word.”
Busy doing jillions of things, but he sees it now. So it was a mistake, because he was busy, but everybody uses it all the time, so it’s not a mistake.
Earlier this year, in a communicable disease transmission bill, Colorado lawmakers sought to test all pregnant women for HIV so that they could prescribe anti-virals to protect infants.
Dave:
“This stems from sexual promiscuity for the most part, and I just can’t go there,” he said.
“We do things continually to remove the consequences of poor behavior, unacceptable behavior, quite frankly. I’m not convinced that part of the role of government should be to protect individuals from the negative consequences of their actions.”
The whores should just watch their babies die. Okay.
Well, at least Matthew Vadum, whoever that is, isn’t embarrassed about being a totally screwed up human being. He owns and worships the mass murders of 2001, and that’s that.
The Obama White House is behind a cynical, coldly calculated political effort to erase the meaning of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks from the American psyche and convert Sept. 11 into a day of leftist celebration and statist idolatry.
How about that for an opening? Man, that is something. I haven’t even read the rest of the article yet, but I’m sure it’s way wackaloon if it begins that hysterically. I am a leftist, but I do not recall wanting to celebrate 9/11 in any way, nor do I believe the White House has such plans. I do get a feeling, however, that Matthew may be pissy because he fears liberals are getting close to his turf. Just a guess, let’s see:
This effort to reshape the American psyche has nothing to do with healing the nation and everything to do with easing the nation along in the ongoing radical transformation of America that President Obama promised during last year’s election campaign. The president signed into law a measure in April that designated Sept. 11 as a National Day of Service, but it’s not likely many lawmakers thought this meant that day was going to be turned into a celebration of ethanol, carbon emission controls, and radical community organizing.
Leave the radical communities disorganized! 9/11 wasn’t created for them, bastards. What the hell is this douchebag going on about? This has got to be a turf war. 9/11 being turned into a productive day of national service is a perfectly good idea. What could possibly be wrong with that?
The administration’s plans were outlined in an Aug. 11 White House-sponsored teleconference call run by Obama ally Lennox Yearwood, president of the Hip Hop Caucus, and Liv Havstad, the group’s senior vice president of strategic partnerships and programs…
On the Aug. 11 call, Yearwood and other leaders kept saying repeatedly that they wanted 9/11 to be used for something “positive,” “forward-leaning,” and “productive,” said a source with knowledge of the teleconference.
The plan is to turn a “day of fear” that helps Republicans into a day of activism called the National Day of Service that helps the left. In other words, nihilistic liberals are planning to drain 9/11 of all meaning.
Your meaning, you mean? Look out, we’re draining the terrorist murders of all of your meaning with our hard work and national service. Good lord, what an asshole partisan sonuvabitch. Kill the productive National Day of Service because somebody said it ‘helps the left.’ There it is, the Republican brain laid bare. “I don’t care what it is, don’t care if it helps other people–if it helps liberals, destroy it.” Careful, don’t tell Matthew how much you like Christmas. Hell, if we’d told him how many of us fought in WWII, he’d have gone Nazi.
“They think it needs to be taken back from the right,” said the source. “They’re taking that day and they’re breaking it because it gives Republicans an advantage. To them, that day is a fearful day…”
Yes, we’re all about day ‘breaking’. Us liberals and our night sticks, let’s talk about it in the mourning, hey! (dammit, Matthew) Somebody shoot me. Just can’t wait to break your September the Eleventh, yup.
And 9/11 trying to be ‘owned’ by the right? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Naw, never.
Of course, the annual commemoration of the 2001 terrorist attacks belongs to the entire nation, but President Obama and the activist left don’t see it that way. They view the nationwide remembrance of the murder of 3,000 Americans by Islamic totalitarians as an obstacle to winning over the hearts and minds of the American people.
Wow, Matthew, you are a complete fucking asshole. Don’t stop now, dude.
“When you criticize them, they are prepared to say, ‘Did you want 9/11 to be another day of selling mattresses, like Presidents Day?” the source said. “They are truly trying to change the American mindset.”
There you go again, a real asshole. As such, playing out imaginary scenarios where we’re disrespectful scumbags. Just imagine if imaginary things actually happened. You Republicans, on the other hand, have yet to apologize for doing just exactly that for the last 8 years, using the murders of thousands of innocent people for political gain. You’d have been far more patriotic and sincere if you had relegated any 9/11 remembrance to ‘another day of selling mattresses, like Presidents Day.’
On Aug. 4, the White House offered a glimpse into its plans to desecrate 9/11 for political advantage. Jones appeared in a largely ignored 33-minute video posted on the official blog of the White House to discuss the administration’s plan to flush 9/11 down the memory hole just as it has tried to do by rechristening the Global War on Terror the “Overseas Contingency Operations.”
Of this National Day of Service, Jones says little except that it will be a great opportunity “for people to connect, to find other people in your peer group who are also passionate about repowering America but also greening up America and cleaning up America.”
Well, no need to explain any further, Matthew. The ‘desecration’ of 9/11 is crystal clear: ‘repowering,’ ‘greening’ and ‘cleaning.’ With some more screeching, your day might also be spared the horrors of ‘gum-chewing,’ ‘back-slapping’ and ‘thoughtless laughter.’
On the same day, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson, and Department of Energy Under Secretary Kristina Johnson and activists held a low-key press conference. At it, Yearwood said the National Day of Service will be “the first milestone” of a larger effort called Green the Block that is attempting to convince Americans that the utopian fantasy of a so-called green economy is possible without turning the U.S. into a Third World country.
“From policy creation to community implementation, the Green the Block campaign wants to see access and opportunity created for all Americans, to build prosperity and a healthier planet for future generations,” Yearwood said.
At no time does anyone explain why this National Day of Service has to be held — of all the 365 days in a year — on Sept. 11.